Thursday, 3 June 2021

Thanks to Margaret Simon for hosting Poetry Friday today. You’ll find this week’s poetic links at her blog, Reflections on the Teche.

Happy Poetry Friday, everyone! I am super excited to welcome my friend, verse novelist Chris Baron to speak with us today.

Chris is the author of the verse novel ALL OF ME. His follow up middle grade book, THE MAGICAL IMPERFECT, come out on June 15.

Chris is very generously giving away *not only* a hot-off-the-presses copy of THE MAGICAL IMPERFECT, but he also has a brand new paperback edition of ALL OF ME for one lucky Poetry Friday reader.

Leave a comment saying which book you would like to win (or if you’d be happy with either one). I will do a drawing before next week’s Poetry Friday.

5 Questions for MG Verse Novelist Chris Baron

THE MAGICAL IMPERFECT is set in San Francisco, around the time of some important events in the city’s history. Can you talk about that? I’m curious to know if you constructed the plot around the 1989 World Series or if the idea for that setting came later.

I love this question! Living in San Francisco (I lived there for a few years) made such an impression on me (clearly–since this is the second book I’ve written inside this setting). It’s such a rich environment to write about. I love the cultural diversity of The Bay Area, so with this story I wanted to explore the roots of this. I’ve also thought of earthquakes as such a powerful metaphor for (well everything) but especially adolescence, and I knew that I wanted to write about earthquakes–that’s when things started adding up and then it made sense that the year 1989 would be the year!  Baseball became an obvious center of the story–the idea of something as solid as baseball-and especially the WORLD SERIES!?  suddenly coming undone created the environment for a very human story.

We never fully learn what happened to Etan’s grandfather and the other families that traveled to the US on the ship Calypso and entered through Angel Island. What kind of research did you do for that element of the story?

So much research inspired this story.  Since I recently learned that my own grandparents came through Ellis Island, I became very interested in the idea that Angel Island had its own, very unique story. I found this website: This was a great start, and it was here that I learned that while the majority of people coming through Angel Island were Chinese (who deserve many more books and poems about this experience) there were small groups of others, Russians, Filipinos, and even small groups of Jews fleeing the Holocaust.

I spent a lot of time reading books like PAPER SON by Helen Foster James and Virginia Shin-Mui Loh. I also was in contact with the Filipino American History Society based in the Bay Area. They guided me through some of the laws and regulations that affected so many, and they provided so much information.  My foundational piece of research was also this book: Angel Island: Immigrant Gateway to America, by Erika Lee and Judy Yung, Oxford University Press. 

But the hardest work of all was researching baseball. Maybe all of the world’s problems can be solved if we keep historical records on everything like we do for baseball. Finally, researching Earthquakes, fault lines, and watching countless 1989 news clips and reading articles about the Loma Prieta Earthquake helped me to at least try to make this work of fiction as historical as possible. 

Golems are a magical creature out of Jewish folklore. What do you find fascinating about golems? [Never heard of golems? Check out this article.]

I love that there are so many stories that circle the core tales of the Golem. It’s fascinating to think about how these tales of ancient magic can still capture our imaginations so powerfully. The idea of the Golem as a creature who protects us when we can’t protect ourselves is fascinating to me. We often build things for the sake of control, but those things become out of control.  It’s such an incredible metaphor for childhood–especially MG-aged kids who are in a constant state of growth-trying to understand the way the world is growing all around them. I also love the idea of the golem, this ancient and powerful magic–suddenly mixing together with the modern world–and exploring what happens.

You’ve written a lot about mental health in your books and through your guest posts at sites like A Novel Mind. How is verse a good fit for stories where the character’s mental health is part of their growth through the book?

I know you and I have talked quite a bit about this sort of thing–that verse is such a powerful tool for unlocking and exploring the internal landscape of a character.  The imagery and figurative language provide a way to articulate these enormous concepts our characters face. Abstractions like, fear, pain, and love, become visceral as the verse describes the spooky forest, the aching skin, or the joy of laughter in friendship.  The verse provides structure for the action, the thoughts, and then even provides the white space–a chance for readers to breathe and imagine. I think this draws a reader more deeply into the story in an interactive way.

For issues of mental health this can be especially helpful because I think it grows empathy. A reader is more involved with that internal landscape through the verse–and this creates the pathway for understanding and empathy. 

There are moments of maybe-magic in the book, but there are also real places that feel magical. Malia’s home in the woods and Grandpa’s shop both have an otherworldly feel. Are these settings based on real places?

Thank you for noticing these very special places in the story. They are based on real places.  My grandfather fixed watches in Brooklyn, and I would visit him in his shop. It smelled like old leather and metal.  I always stood in wonder around thousands of trinkets strewn about–and him putting this back together. 

And of course, I believe that trees do talk–and spend time in the forests as much as I can. The redwoods have always been a magical place for me. One of the greatest hopes I have for the stories I tell is that they will help readers young and old to recognize the magic that is always around them. 

Chris Baron is an award winning author of the Middle Grade novels in verse, ALL OF ME, and THE MAGICAL IMPERFECT (2021) from Feiwel & Friends/Macmillan . He is a Professor of English at San Diego City College and the director of the Writing Center. Learn more about him at  and on Twitter: @baronchrisbaron Instagram: @christhebearbaron

25 responses to “Poetry Friday: The Magical Imperfect”

  1. Linda Baie says:

    Great interview, Laura! I’d love to win ‘All of Me’ as I already have The Magical Imperfect ordered. I’ve been to Angel Island with students years ago. One memory from there were little poems we found written by those who had been there. And, that hint of trees talking makes me very excited about Chris’ new book. I just started Suzanne Simard’s “Finding the Mother Tree”! Thanks to both of you for lots of background info.

    • Laura Shovan says:

      Thanks, Linda. All of Me is a wonderful coming of age story. I love hearing about those little poems at Angel Island! (I also have Finding the Mother Tree on my stack right now.)

  2. Jilanne Hoffmann says:

    Great interview! As a current San Francisco resident, I’d love to win a copy of The Magical Imperfect, but I’d love to read either one. I can’t get enough of novels in verse. Thank you!

  3. Elisabeth says:

    Thanks for this interview Laura! I love middle grade novels in verse and it’s wonderful to get a glimpse at the DNA of Chris’s new book. The Magical Imperfect touches on themes that fascinate me – history, the middle grade experience, stories about families in transition.

    I’d love to win a copy of either book (but I’m international, so understand if that rules me out for winning a copy).

    • Laura Shovan says:

      Hi, Elisabeth. You’re exactly right! This story is about a family in transition. In the main body of the novel, Etan’s primary adults are his father and grandfather, while his mother is temporarily away to work on her mental health.

  4. Sally Murphy says:

    Thank you for this interview. I love learning about how other verse novelists work. I won’t ask to be in the draw, since I’m in Australia and postage is prohibitive.

  5. jama says:

    Thanks to both of you for this interview. I know so little about Angel Island so The Magical Imperfect would be of great interest to me. But of course I would be happy to win a copy of either of Chris’s books. I love that he believes trees talk!!

  6. Great interview! I love to win the first offer, which sounds fascinating, as I have a hard copy of his first book. Thanks.

  7. Great interview! I met Chris at NCTE with you a few years ago. I have two copies of All of Me, but would love to check out this new one.

  8. Ruth says:

    Wonderful interview – and what a fascinating book!

  9. Oooh, more books for my To-Read list! I was living just south of SF during the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake – my mom got stuck on the freeway coming home from SFO airport! That point in history has a lot of resonance with me. I’m eager to read both of Chris’ books. Thanks for the great interview, Laura! 🙂

  10. Linda Mitchell says:

    oooooh, I saved this post for Saturday morning when I could be all alone at my kitchen table with a cuppa and some quiet. I love author interviews. Thank you, Laura! I want to get lost in a watch shop in Brooklyn or anywhere. I want to hear the ticking and the sound of the tools and smell the leather and feel the light from the front window shrink as I walk toward the back. The Magical Imperfect is getting lots of good buzz on Twitter. Congrats! I can’t wait to introduce it to my middle school students.

    • Charlotte Sheer says:

      Great interview, Laura and Chris. The Angel Island content sounds fascinating and the extent of research that went into THE Magic Imperfect is mind-boggling. Would love my own copy!( My paperback of All of Me is on pre-order for this month?)

    • Laura Shovan says:

      Hi, Linda. Wait until you read the book. That watch shop is such a rich setting. I can imagine a child spending many happy afternoons exploring.

  11. Laura, this is a fantastic interview with Chris, whom I met at NCTE. I love the amount of history and the research involved in digging up facts that is included. I am also impressed with Chris’ understanding of middle school kids. The magical background mixed with reality and historical facts would make for a great read. I would love to read and review Chris’ newest book.

  12. Thank you for this terrific interview about Chris’s new book, Laura. All of Me is such an inspiring book! I can’t wait to read The Magical Imperfect and find out how Chris weaves all these elements together!

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Laura Shovan

Laura Shovan is the author of the award-winning middle grade novel, The Last Fifth Grade of Emerson Elementary. Her second book, Takedown, is a Junior Library Guild and PJ Our Way selection. Look for A Place at the Table, co-written with Saadia Faruqi, in 2020. Laura is a poet-in-the-schools Maryland.

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